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to avoid the fiscal clip. it is the fault of congress. they created this fiscal cliff. they did it. no one else imposed this on them. >> the president has never gone to the nation and made a serious speech about dt. he ignored it the first two years. he appoints a commission that he studiously ignores for the next two years. that is why we are at the clip now. he is not serious about the debt. none of his proposals to raise taxes on the rich. he has never put any political capital in entitlement reform our tax reform. he'll talk about it here and there. never invested any capital in it. >> any difference of opinion? >> if it is such a trivial amount, the raising of taxes on the wealthy, then why the squealing, the yelling, the hurt feelings of all this plutocrats? my goodness gracious. i will say this -- right now, he is absolutely right. all the political advantage is with the president, but if this thing comes to a complete halt and falls, then there would be political blame across the board, and it will undermine all public confidence in the public sector. >> all political advances with
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